Is clipping directly onto a dyneema sling safe?

Allthough I'm not a professional climber, I do regularly set up climbing obstacles and ziplines for children (scouting).
When working up in the threes we mostly secure ourselves using slings so we can have two hands free to secure children or work on the rigging in general.
I've taken a fall or two onto a sling (like you said up to 1 meter) and although there is no real damping it is way better than taking the fall 5 meters down (or further).

In general I would say that if you're working on a single spot or need to span a really short distance it's fine.
Just make sure it's not to short or to long where you could either really get hurt taking the fall or end up being unable to get back up to where you need/want to be.
(It's not fun hanging under the lowest tree limb, everything soking wet and waiting for someone to throw a climbing rope so you can rappel down ;) ).

posted about 9 years ago

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HTDutchy‭

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In the specific example of the video of your girlfriend, what you did seems to me like a perfectly reasonable way of dealing with that spot in the climb. When we talk about the bad consequences of taking a short fall on a static line (wrecking pro, snapping slings, injuries to the climber's pelvis), we're talking mainly about factor-2 falls on a vertical wall. In the situation you were in, it would have been factor-1 at most, and realistically not anywhere near that bad, because she would have been scraping, scrabbling, and bumping on her way down.

I can't really second-guess your judgment based on the view through a cell phone's lens, but if I speculate about the situation if I'd been there and could have seen the total situation more clearly, my concerns might have been completely different. The section before the sling looks exposed, and I would have worried about the possibility of bad rock or of a simple foot slip on a sandy ledge. I also might have worried about the horn that you threw the sling over -- whether or not it was solidly attached to the ridge.

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Ben Crowell‭

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As a general rule of thumb: Never use static material only as protection while moving.

Unless you anyway know what you do, I suggest you stick to that rule. There are several examples of fatal accidents involving static falls of very short distance into your binding, which then broke. Fall factors are not a factor to consider, as this compares length of fall to length of rope which will dynamically brake, while here there is nothing dynamic. Even if the material holds, such a static fall causes injuries or at least severe pain in the hip region (I know, I once fell about 0.5m into a daisychain while aiding, two connections ripped and thus damped the fall, it still hurt a lot and caused me to abandon the climb.

However in the exact case shown above when slipping, you would not fall directly into the sling. Scraping over the rocks you would not be very fast when the sling stops you, so it would not be comfortable, but hardly hazardous.

Still the best method in such terrain would be going on short rope. If properly done and trained you are safer and faster than with such improvised protection, but it really needs some practice. You are connected with about 10m of rope and the stronger climber goes ahead. In very easy and hardly exposed terrain you simply go simultaneously managing the rope so that it does not get in the way. On slightly harder or exposed terrain the leader places the rope over spikes on the go, thus providing security against falling off completely. In case it gets much harder you secure the second (e.g. wrapping the rope twice around a suitable spike) and you climb the section, then you belay the second up with again a spike or shoulder belay (this is a direct translation from German, no idea whether it is the correct term in English).

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imsodin‭

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It certainly isn't safe to use a sling or anything else which will not absorb shock in the event of a fall.

Although you are probably not likely to have this sort of thing while scrambling, if you know are going to need to clip in to something for some reason, you could always take a tip from caving and use dynamic rope to make up what we call "cowstails". These are used regularly in caving while abseiling and prusiking up ropes and on traverse lines to clip into as a safeguard in case of a slip or equipment failure. We use two at a time as it makes certain manouvres easier and safer but for your purpose just one would be better than a sling which absorbs no shock in the event of a fall.

For example of a caver's "cowstails":

NOTE: It is possible to take a fall with a very large Fall Factor on Via Ferrata, which is why Via Ferrata "lanyards" have a means of allowing the rope to slip through some sort of fall protector (or have elasticated sections held together by stitching which will burst during a fall) in order to absorb the possible very large shock. The intention with cowstails is NOT to fall but to prevent a fall from happening. However if you do fall (and you should never climb above the item to which they are attached) it should only by with a small Fall Factor and onto dynamic rope. Cavers normally attach the costails to their harness using the Maillon Rapide which joins the two sides of the harness at the front and centre, by using the loop tied in the rope between the two karabiners in the picture above. A Maillon Rapide is used as it can take a 3-way directional loading safely, which an ordinary karabiner cannot, unless it is a specialised karabiner such as the Petz Omni whcih is designed to do this.

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Paul Lydon‭

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Was it better than no protection? Probably. Would I recommend it? No.

The reason is this: DMM performed some tests where they anchored a sling to a carabiner and a load (80kg), and dropped the load from various heights. The results are a bit more nuanced, but the gist is that you should never fall onto a sling from at or above the anchor without any dynamic elements in the system. This sentence sums it up nicely:

Even a 60 cm fall-factor 1 fall on to an open Dyneema® sling can generate enough impact force (16.7 kN) at the anchor to pull a Wallnut 11 wire (12 kN) apart. Tying a knot in a Dyneema® sling weakens it even further leading to sling failure in a fall-factor 1 loading on to a 120 cm sling.

You probably wouldn't want to experience a force of 16.7 kN, which is what would happen if you fell with the harness at the height of the anchor.

However, it might be fine if you stay well below the highest point of the anchor. But I couldn't find any reference to that situation, so I can't comment on that situation specifically.

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anderas‭

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