When should you use gear to climb a tree?

I think this is quite a tricky one. Even when I read the Health & Safety Executive guidance in the UK (a country quite keen on its health and safety rules) it isn't clear:

HSE has an 'Are You a Tree Surgeon' page, which links directly to their Working at Height page. There we have:

Falls from height are the biggest cause of workplace deaths and one of the biggest causes of major injury. In tree work, falls from height are still common, and the result is often death or major injury.

Around 16% of all reported tree work accidents involve falling from height and about 6% are due to uncontrolled swings in the tree leading to impact with branches or the trunk.

They provide a range of guidance statements, but nothing that defines what height counts.

Hierarchy of control measures

For every task that needs to be done at height you need to assess the risk and put appropriate control measures in place. There is a hierarchy of control measures that you need to follow. You only move up the hierarchy when you decide that the control is not practicable.

• Avoid the need to work at height, for example by using extending equipment from the ground
• Prevent falls using appropriate access equipment such as work platforms or rope access
• Reduce the distance and consequences of a fall should one occur.

Tree Climbing Operations also gives the following:

The Regulations say that climbing work with a personal fall protection system - ropes and harness - can only be done if:

• A risk assessment has shown that the work can be done safely while using that system
• The use of other, safer work equipment (e.g. mobile elevating work platforms) is not justified
• The user and a sufficient number of available people have received training specific to the task, including rescue techniques.

So in summary, you should use some common sense risk assessment. HSE reckons tree climbing should be avoided if possible, but if you need to then take precautions.

For you, if you want to climb a tree, assess it:

• Is it wet and slippy
• Are branches thick enough to take your weight
• Is it healthy
• Are branches a comfortable distance apart
• etc

posted about 10 years ago

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roryalsop‭

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a dangerous height to fall is defined as between two and two and a half times your height, which for most people is 12- 15 feet. however, using gear to climb a tree is VERY damaging to the tree and therefore I do not recommend it unless it is absolutely necessary. If you can see a safe way to climb using large branches, especially on a commonly used tree, do not use gear.

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benjoholio95‭

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I am an avid rock climber and the answer to all similar questions is always the same:

Use safety gear when you feel unsafe.

If you want a number, falls from over ~5 meters (15 feet) are where you will start to incur more serious injuries. However, you can twist your ankle standing on flat ground.

You will know when you start to feel unsafe. At that point, grab a harness and tree-climbing loop. Or just bring a ladder.

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theJollySin‭

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People perish from falling from 0 meters (just standing, you faint and the back of the head hits the concrete)*. Others can jump from roofs and continue running (parkour guys).

Therefore, I think this is a question of confidence. Cars are among the biggest killers, but we do not generally wear protective equipment when crossing the street. We know that if we are careful, the danger it tolerable and not worth putting on knee pads and spine support. But a drunk man, or a reckless kid, at the middle of the street, are in danger.

As a child I have climbed up to about 10 meters up trees - for fun and to shake down walnuts. The latter includes jumping onto the branch one is standing, or reaching far with a staff in one hand, to hit the nuts. All the time being confident that this is no riskier than crossing the street.

So, as with other dangerous sports, I would advise not to overcome one's fear. If you are afraid of doing something - then maybe it is objectively dangerous. Go train on lower difficulty activities until the fear goes away on it's own. Then it is safe to, very carefully, thy it.

For example have a beer while sitting on a low branch and chatting with friends. Climb a tree and climb down at another spot. Find a low branch, but one you cannot reach, and jump, grabbing a hand hold, then walk with hands, to see how long can you hang should the need arise (and discover is it difficult to hang on a thick branch). When you are comfortable with a drink in hand on the low branch, you will be comfortable when using both hands on a higher spot.

Lastly, I don't think this is a good question. My answer is subjective and there are no others as of now. The comments under the question doesn't even begin to address safety equipment. It's kind of "Should I have unprotected sex, if I am confident the other person is healthy?" "Should I quit my job if I'm unsure if I'll find as good one?" "Is a bicycle without brakes safe?" (IMHO it's absolutely not, but many people ride them fixies).

_{* - can't find a reference for that, but on page 17 here is documented a fatality from less than 6 feet.}

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Vorac‭

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