Is it realistic to teach yourself rock climbing?

The general consensus is clearly that it's a bad idea to try to teach yourself. I tend to agree. That said, I suspect that none of these people who have commented thus far are speaking from experience, so I thought I'd chime in as someone who has actually taught himself to climb, to offer a perspective of what that's like too.

To make it short: in my case (and do not assume yours will be the same), I felt like learning to top rope and sport climbing was fairly safe and straightforward. Ditto for multipitch sport climbing. Trad climbing was more extreme. Having had a more experienced partner would have been more helpful here. Trying to learn to alpine climb on my own was... Not good. Don't do it. Take a course from the american alpine institute instead.

When I started to climb I didn't know any climbers, lived in the midwest before the gym scene exploded and was too poor to take a course. So similar situation to what you're describing I think.

Top Rope/Sport climbing:

There were not a lot of "unknown unknowns" here. You should be able to look at the safety system and understand why and how it will keep you alive if you fall. If you don't understand it, stop and figure it out before continuing. There were no surprises here.

I found a crag with bolted routes, and bolted anchors. Asked a local climber in camp where a good top roping spot was and spent a weekend on the wall he directed me to, and then went back for another weekend once I could afford quickdraws and started lead climbing on bolts. It was terrifying, but in retrospect we were in fact climbing and belaying more or less safely. Common sense was very helpful, but I wish I'd known how to tie an autoblocking friction knot to back up rappels. Would have made it a bit safer (see Accidents in North American Mountaineering 2012, "know the ropes" section). Also, should have bought a helmet on day one. I got comfortable sport climbing pretty quickly though.

Learning to do multipitch sport routes was also fairly easy. Plan ahead and get a belay device you can use for belaying off the anchor. Petzl Reverso or black diamond guide are good.

Trad cragging:

There were many more "known unknowns" here than in sport climbing. Books helped a lot, but experience was also clearly needed, which I gained by climbing routes that were well within my abilities for a long time. The main issue is learning what a good gear placement looks like, understanding fall forces and anchor building.

After about two years I had placed enough gear in a large enough variety of rock at many different crags to have gained some perspective. By this point I had also climbed a bit with a couple of more experienced people, not many, and not often, but enough to at least gain confidence from having a more experienced climber sign off on my placements. I also did some mock lead falls with backup ropes to test gear, and see how bad a placement could be and still hold. Some top rope aid climbing also helped, as did John Long's anchors book.

Alpine rock climbing:

Lots of unknown unknowns. I thought I was going to die. And I don't mean I was scared shitless. I definitely was, but what I rather mean is that I realized death was likely, and I had to force myself to come to terms with that. In retrospect, this is the point where I think no matter how motivated you are, if you don't have the money, you should stop. Better to come up with the cash, and take a course from the american alpine institute (AAI) or something equivalent. I ended up going back with more experienced people and getting some instruction from them for this one.

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Freedom of the Hills is a book about mountaineering, not rock climbing. They overlap somewhat, but they're basically different things. Rock climbing can mean a lot of very different things: climbing on top-rope in a gym; lead-climbing in a gym; outdoor sport climbing; and outdoor trad climbing (which has different roles for the leader and follower).

Mountaineering is basically an extension of hiking, and mountaineering includes lots and lots of different types of skills and activities. Some of these you can learn on your own, but others (e.g., self-arrest with an ice ax) you're better off getting professional instruction in.

All forms of rock climbing (with the exception of free-soloing, which is probably not something you should try as a beginner) require a climbing partner, so no, you cannot learn rock climbing all by yourself.

posted almost 11 years ago

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Being as your talking about climbing gyms I'm going to limit my answer to indoor climbing only.

First things first:

Is it a realistic goal to teach yourself how to climb

I'd say no.

is it really necessary (and safe) to be taught by a professional

Necessary: Depends on who you know. If you don't know any other climbers to teach you Yes. If you do and they are willing to teach you, then No.

Further expansion:

To get into rock climbing there are a number of skills you need to learn. Some of these skills you can pick up with practice, some you need instruction on. By instruction I wouldn't necessarily say a paid instructor, if you have friends who have (good) experience climbing they can teach you a lot of the basics by climbing with them.

In fact I would recommend this way to learn, you're going to learn a lot more climbing twice a week with an experienced climber than spending one afternoon with an instructor and it'll be much cheaper. Also who's to say the "instructor" is particularly experienced anyway? I know plenty of gyms that employ minimum wage low experienced instructors that are in no way especially skilled at showing you the ropes.

When starting your likely to begin top roping. This is where the rope is already connected to the top of the climb, you tie into one end and your belayer belay's you using the other end of the rope. This method limits the amount of distance you will fall should you make a mistake. Most people start using the discipline as it is the safest form of climbing (even bouldering it's easy to twist an ankle or land awkwardly)

Another option is to learn the basics with an instructor and then join a local climbing club. This again gives you the benefit of learning from experienced people day in and day out.

There are two different types of skills to learn:

Hard skills

These are the types of things that you need to know to climb safely and competently. These are the skills you will learn on a course or can be taught by an experienced climbing friend. Examples include:

• Figure of eight knot
• Belaying
• Safety protocols and communication (Checking each other knot, ensuring locking carabiner is closed before starting, communicating on the wall effectively)
• Use of different belay devices (Gri gri vs belay plate, etc.)
• Essential kit

Soft skills

This is the kind of thing that you can learn from trainers but which you can equally pick up with practice or even (some anyway), by reading information on the internet:

• Confidence!
• Footwork (climb with your feet not your arms!)
• Hand placement (different holds will react differently depending on how you grip them)
• Body position (the amount of times I've tried a move over and over and over again only to drop my shoulder or something minor and suddenly it becomes possible!)

Bouldering is a very good way to develop this technique in a (relatively safe environment). I love bouldering as a climbing discipline in it's own right but it's a great teaching tool also.

Enjoy it, it's addictive!

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With dedication you could learn to climb at a top-rope or bouldering climbing gym without professional instruction. The key skill there is belaying, and you could learn that from videos. However I would never recommend this route if good instruction is available. You may have difficulty separating Internet know-it-alls from experts, therefore you may not know if you are following wisdom or nonsense unless you get professional instruction. While learning from an experienced climber may help, there are also a lot of experienced climbers with bad safety skills, so having survived X years of climbing is really no proof of good fundamentals. At the very least gyms usually offer a one-session intro class that teaches how to belay, put on your harness, tie in, etc.

If you wish to do real (outdoor) climbing you will want both instruction and someone experienced to climb with; there are simply too many things you don't know you don't know in my opinion. The books I've read don't cover everything, and some things just can't be learned from that medium anyway. Rather than "hiring a guide" I recommend that you find a rock climbing course. Vet the instructor. I took one at a local community college and I was fortunate enough to get a very good instructor, but I know that some people who took a course at the same place a few years before I did learned techniques that my instructor would have failed, saying they were deprecated by the AMGA over 20 years ago.

Books lay things out in an organized and systematic form that you can easily reference. How to Rock Climb! by John Long was required reading for the first climbing course I took, and I haven't seen a better book of the same type.

Blackbear asked:

I'm wondering what your opinion would be on what gear to buy first and what gear to possibly rent? I'm a bit hesitant to go out and buy all new gear if it turns out that we're not good at it, or don't end up liking it. As far as I can tell, buying a harness, shoes, belay device, chalk bag and some locking carabiners would be a good first step. Is climbing rope generally supplied in climbing gyms?

Shoes

If you have an interest in climbing and no nagging injuries that would make it painful or difficult I simply can't imagine you not enjoying some style of climbing. It takes a while to figure out what climbing shoes should feel like, but honestly I would just buy the first pair from REI so that you can return them if they don't work out or you realize they are the wrong size. I chose to use rental shoes and I got a nasty case of nail fungus for the first time in my life; it ended up costing me a lot more than new shoes would have.

Fit to the shape of your foot is most important. It doesn't matter how "good" a shoe is if it doesn't fit you right, and feet vary a great deal, so don't look at what other people are wearing as a guide. You want a shoe that feels like it was vacuum molded to your foot: zero gaps anywhere, but not compressive. In other words "fits like a glove" or as close as you can get. Some shoes stretch very little, some stretch quite a bit, so you won't really know how a shoe will fit until you've worn it for a while. I highly recommend buying from a place that lets you return them even after they are worn, rather than guessing they will stretch and fitting them too tightly. Good climbing is usually about using your feet well rather than hauling yourself up with your arms, and you won't use your feet well if they hurt; avoid that.

Top-rope or Bouldering

You'll want to decide whether to start with bouldering or top-rope climbing. I recommend top-rope, but I'm a scaredy-cat and like the safety of a top-rope. Ideally I think you should start out on top-rope to safely learn fundamentals and good footwork, and to give your tendons and ligaments time to strengthen. Muscle grows faster than connective tissue; injuries are common for those who push too hard right from the start. Avoid hang boards and other training devices in your first year of climbing; you'll build both strength and skill by actually climbing, and do it more safely. (Excessive focus on strength may cover bad technique; this is probably why girls often seem to learn faster than guys.) After perhaps six months of top-rope climbing switch to indoor bouldering for a while to build power and additional skills. After that you should have a sense of the kind of climbing you want to do and a decent foundation for whatever direction you choose.

If you have an athletic foundation and don't mind a little risk you may prefer (indoor) bouldering. (You could e.g. dislocate an elbow or break a wrist if you fall wrong, even with pads.) There you'll only need shoes; you can improvise a "chalk pot" or the gym may provide one.

If you choose top-rope look for harness packages that include a belay device and belay carabiner (also known as an HMS carabiner) and sometimes a chalk bag; you'll usually save a bit of money this way. (As you will by getting last year's model on closeout.) The Black Diamond Momentum package is a popular choice. Don't spend a fortune on a harness; the very light and expensive ones are for competition climbers and won't make a lick of difference to you, other than possibly being less comfortable. (An exception is if you are doing mountaineering and want a low-profile harness to fit under a hip belt, as my instructor explained, but I have no experience with that yet.) Learn to belay with an ATC or other "tube-style" device (my preference is the Black Diamond ATC-XP); a "Gri-Gri" or other such device will only lead to bad habits at this point and cost far more.

I have never heard of a gym where you bring your own rope for top-rope climbing, so yes, they are provided. (You'll need a UIAA certified Dynamic rope for lead climbing but you aren't ready for that yet.) A number of gyms even have auto-belay devices now which let you climb without a partner; it is an auto-braking system that lowers you slowly when you fall off. If you climb on an auto-belay make sure you do an extra safety check since you won't have a partner to catch mistakes like putting your harness on wrong!

Safety

Make sure all your safety equipment (harness, belay device, carabiners, etc.) is properly certified. Look for a logo like this:

Be aware that there are counterfeit climbing goods in existence so buy only from reputable sources.

Carefully read all of the instruction booklets and labels that come with your gear; they will warn you against various kinds of misuse that could kill you, such as improperly loading a carabiner or using bleach on your harness. Make sure that you are using all equipment as intended. (For example there are climbing ropes that are meant to be used only in pairs; the booklet should make this clear even if an incompetent sales person does not.) If a piece of gear does not come with a booklet contact the manufacturer for this information; every piece of gear I have purchased has come with such a booklet.

posted almost 11 years ago

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